“They never tell you that ‘oh, by the way, there were people there.’ They make it seem like, ‘the (expletive) door’s open.’”. “You don’t keep all your Jews in one basket. I don’t understand why they did that. “What Seth is talking about, this thing, not being told there were people here, that it was empty – a land with no people for a people with no land – that’s the essential lie that my generation and those younger than us have had to deal with.”. We know it from statistics, from studies that federations and mainstream Jewish organizations have done. Rogen’s comments immediately lit up “Jewish Twitter.” They unleashed a flurry of critical op-eds in Jewish and Israeli media.

Israel May Again Lose Control Over the Pandemic, a land with no people for a people with no land. And I also think that as a Jewish person, like I was fed a huge amount of lies about Israel my entire life.”, Rogen continued: “You know, they never tell you that, 'Oh, by the way, there were people there.' They just do.' They have access to everything and are going to find out there is a Palestinian narrative – so why not integrate as much diverse learning and complexity as possible in their Jewish education to better equip people to understand?” she asked. “Hating Jews is as old as Judaism.”, Haaretz.com, the online edition of Haaretz Newspaper in Israel, and analysis from Israel and the Middle East, © Haaretz Daily Newspaper Ltd. All Rights Reserved, Get email notification for articles from Allison Kaplan Sommer. In a Facebook post, Herzog said he and Rogen had a frank and open conversation. “What Seth Rogen said is par for the course among our generation and the Israeli government has to wake up and see that their actions have consequences,” said Yonah Lieberman, spokesman for If Not Now, an American Jewish organization opposed to Israel’s entrenched occupation of the West Bank.

He said his parents met on an Israeli kibbutz.

He said the comments were made in jest and misconstrued. Israelis are a “sinewy” and “tough” breed of Jew, Rogen said.

I’m going to put them in my blender and hope that that’s the best place to, that’ll do it.”, Rogen then said he was “fed a huge amount of lies” about Israel during his youth. I’m trying to keep all these things safe. It is pervasive and it is prevalent, and it is to many Jewish people so confounding that they don’t assume it’s true.”, Maron concurred. In an interview with the Israeli daily Haaretz, Rogen said he called Herzog at the urging of his mother and he denied apologizing. “Being Jewish is inextractable for us. “And it’s going to happen at younger ages with generations who are growing up online. Cherry-picked quotes from talk between Rogen and Marc Maron on 'being lied to about Israel' not only ignored the humor in their conversation, but overlooked the fact it was the deepest dive into Jewish identity in modern celebrity culture in recent memory For those who work with young progressive Jews, the willingness of celebrities to state these feelings publicly may come as a surprise, but their difficult relationship with Israel is nothing new.

They don’t even care if we're religious.”. In the podcast, Rogen, who appeared in such smash comedies as “Superbad” and “Knocked Up,” talked about attending Jewish schools and Jewish summer camp while growing up in Vancouver.

“They don’t fuck around,” Maron added. He said Rogen “was misunderstood and apologized” for his comments. Actor Seth Rogen may be Jewish, but he has some serious issues with the country of Israel and believes he and other Jews have been fed “a huge amount of lies” about the Jewish state. Ironically, Rogen was on the podcast to promote his new movie, “An American Pickle,” about a Jewish immigrant to the U.S. at the start of the 20th century who falls into a vat of pickle brine and emerges 100 years later.

Lieberman, from If Not Now, said the uproar shows “how much the conversation has changed” about Israel among American Jews.

Libby Lenkinski – who is vice president for public engagement at the New Israel Fund NGO, and is close to Rogen’s age – says what the movie star was describing “is extremely common among Jews my age and younger.” It's the driving force in the rise of groups like J Street U and IfNotNow, she added.

Comedic actor Seth Rogen just launched a truly vile attack on Israel, saying that it “makes no sense” to him. We should. Israel accuses the movement of waging a campaign to delegitimize its very existence. Seth Rogen: ‘I Was Fed A Huge Amount Of Lies About Israel’ “You don’t keep all your Jews in one basket.” By Daily Wire, July 29, 2020. But polls have shown that while most American Jews identify with Israel and feel a connection to the country, that support has waned over recent years, especially among millennials. Israel has long benefited from financial and political support from American Jews. Seth Rogen’s disparagement of Orthodox Jews and Israel is particularly painful to Jews everywhere because he is so widely known as a Jewish personality and has … “Israelis aren’t going to put up with our middle class Jew bullshit.

I mean, if anyone can say whatever they fucking want about this shit, it should be two famous Jewish people. Our DNA comes back Jewish. And so, cherry-picked quotes from the conversation by the two entertainers not only ignored the humor in their conversation, but overlooked the fact that the wide-ranging interview was the deepest dive into Jewish identity in modern celebrity culture in recent memory. ", Bibi's Impotent. When he emerges in the present day, he meets his great-grandson and is deeply disappointed, among other things, by how tangential Judaism is to his descendant’s life when it had been so central to his own. “Specifically, revolving around death, Judaism has a lot of protocol that is helpful,” Rogen said.

“I don’t want Jews to think that I don’t think Israel should exist. Cherry-picked quotes from talk between Rogen and Marc Maron on 'being lied to about Israel' not only ignored the humor in their conversation, but overlooked the fact it was the deepest dive into Jewish identity in modern celebrity culture in recent memory.

The process of sitting shivah after a death in his family, he said, “was one of those things where I was like, ‘Oh, this is like a very useful tool that religion has created around a very painful thing. If anyone’s getting rounded up first, it’s our fucking asses.”.

While neither of the bar-mitzvahed comedians said they believe in or practice the religion, both said they had developed a less scornful attitude toward aspects of Jewish practice as they became older. It doesn’t make sense to me. “It’s scary,” Rogen admitted, "But we’re Jews – we can say whatever we want. Maron and Rogen both joked about how frightened they were about the responses they would receive from Israel’s defenders. Israel May Again Lose Control Over Pandemic, Bibi's Impotent. The fallout from the back and forth between Marc Maron and Seth Rogen highlights the tenuous relationship between Israel, its supporters and its liberal Jewish critics in the diaspora. “You don’t have to believe in Judaism to be Jewish.”. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP, File), Connect with the definitive source for global and local news. But in recent years the country has faced a groundswell of opposition from young progressives, disillusioned by Israel’s aggressive West Bank settlement building, its perceived exclusion of liberal streams of Judaism and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cozy relationship with President Donald Trump.

If it is truly for the preservation of Jewish people, it makes no sense, because, again, you don’t keep something you’re trying to preserve all in one place – especially when that place has proven to be pretty volatile.

The back-and-forth banter regarding Jewish obsessions and neuroses between comedic superstar Seth Rogen and comedian-podcast host Marc Maron is hardly unfamiliar. “Israel can do certain things to make it somewhat better.”, FILE - In this Nov. 8, 2019 file photo, Seth Rogen speaks at the 33rd American Cinematheque Award in Beverly Hills, Calif. A conversation between two Jewish comedians about Jewish culture and Israel has sparked an uproar by American Jews and an international spat. Equally inescapable as his Judaism is antisemitism, he said. That’ll do it!' They make it seem like it was just sitting there –  oh the fucking door’s open!”, Maron then suggested that the reason for the skewed narrative was that “They want to make you feel frightened enough about your own survival, to the point that when you're old enough, you'll make sure money goes to Israel, and that trees are planted and that you always speak highly of Israel and Israel must survive no matter what.”, Both men declared that they could never live in Israel, though Rogen conceded there were “nice parts.” They also said they didn’t find Israelis particularly likeable – Rogen said his summer camp counselors who were “fresh out of the army” had been “psychotic.”. That cliff is created by shielding people from other narratives, as if they aren’t going to find out. And it’s honestly something that I'm so glad was instilled in me from a young age, because if it wasn’t, I would constantly be shocked at how much motherf***ers hate Jews – because they do! Their comments about Israel — especially Rogen saying the country “doesn’t make sense” — infuriated many Israel supporters and highlighted the country’s tenuous relationship with young, progressive Jewish critics in the diaspora. Privacy Policy, Designed & Developed by Precision Creations, By completing the poll, you agree to receive emails from LifeZette and that you've read and agree to our, Seth Rogen says Israel 'makes no sense:' It's like putting Jews 'in a blender', MASSIVE: Former Biden Insider Flips, Confirms Validity of Emails and Joe Biden’s Involvement | EP 70, Parent Comes Unglued Over Photo Of Students Painted In Red, White, And Blue Holding Trump Flag – ‘Soaked In White Supremacy’, Receipts Show Hunter Biden’s Laptop Was Seized as a Part of an FBI Money Laundering Investigation, Ellen DeGeneres Hit With Crushing Blow As More Claims Of Her Negative Behavior Come To Light, Biden Now Wants To Cancel The Christmas Season, 12 Year-Old Praises Trump At School: Teacher Asks Why He Supports ‘A Racist And A Pedophile’ – Bad Move.

Lenkinski said this experience drives her to work on educational programs for younger people with multiple narratives on Israel and Palestine, “to avoid giving young people that horrible painful moment of feeling like every adult in my life lied about Israel.” She urged the Jewish communal world to adopt a similar approach. The prioritization of 'loving Israel' just doesn’t work.

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